Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 120

02/24/2006 02:00 PM House JUDICIARY


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*+ HB 441 THERAPEUTIC COURT FOR DUI/SENTENCING TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ HB 93 DENTISTS AND DENTAL HYGIENISTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 93(JUD) Out of Committee
*+ HB 446 PENALTY FOR UNLAWFUL TRADE PRACTICE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 446(JUD) Out of Committee
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= HB 329 BAIL RESTRICTIONS
Moved CSHB 329(JUD) Out of Committee
= HB 414 INTERCEPTION OF MINOR'S COMMUNICATIONS
Heard & Held
HB 93 - DENTISTS AND DENTAL HYGIENISTS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:07:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  announced that the  final order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 93,  "An Act  relating to dentists  and dental                                                               
hygienists  and  the  Board  of  Dental  Examiners;  establishing                                                               
certain  committees  for  the  discipline   and  peer  review  of                                                               
dentists; excluding the adjudicatory  proceedings of the Board of                                                               
Dental  Examiners  and  its committees  from  the  Administrative                                                               
Procedure  Act  and  from  the  jurisdiction  of  the  office  of                                                               
administrative hearings;  and providing  for an  effective date."                                                               
[Before the committee was CSHB  93(L&C); in committee packets was                                                               
a  proposed committee  substitute  (CS) for  HB  93, Version  24-                                                               
LS0384\S, Mischel, 2/1/06.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:07:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEATH  HILYARD,  Staff  to Representative  Tom  Anderson,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature, sponsor,  noted on  behalf of  Representative                                                               
Anderson  that committee  packets  contain  a proposed  committee                                                               
substitute (CS) for HB 93.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:08:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL moved to adopt  the proposed CS for HB 93,                                                               
Version 24-LS0384\S, Mischel,  2/1/06, as the work  draft.  There                                                               
being no objection, Version S was before the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD  explained that  [Version S]  creates a  "peer review                                                               
committee"  for the  Board of  Dental  Examiners, which  oversees                                                               
dentists  and dental  hygienists operating  in the  state.   This                                                               
will provide members of these  professions greater involvement in                                                               
the  adjudicatory  proceedings  that  come before  the  Board  of                                                               
Dental  Examiners.   He mentioned  that representatives  from the                                                               
Alaska Dental Society  were available and could  stress the value                                                               
and importance that the proposed  changes represent for them.  He                                                               
mentioned that members' packets contain  a summary of the changes                                                               
encompassed in Version S.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD  reviewed those changes.   A  change on page  2, line                                                               
30,  reinserts  the words,  "or  knowingly  cooperated in";  this                                                               
language  mirrors language  [on page  8], and  [counsel] for  the                                                               
Alaska  Dental   Society  believed  that  keeping   the  language                                                               
consistent throughout  the bill was of  value.  A change  on page                                                               
4,  line 3,  inserts  the word,  "physically"  between "who"  and                                                               
"reside"; this addresses the concern  that those who serve on the                                                               
Board  of Dental  Examiners  actually  reside in  the  state.   A                                                               
change to  page 4, line  3, inserts the word,  "clinical" between                                                               
"the" and "practice";  this addresses the concern  that those who                                                               
serve on the  Board of Dental Examiners  are currently clinically                                                               
practicing.   A change to page  7, line 2, substitutes  the word,                                                               
"reasonable"  for "substantial";  this  pertains to  the type  of                                                               
evidence that would be required.   A change to page 9, lines 8-9,                                                               
deletes  the  words,  "or  an  approved  provider  of  continuing                                                               
education for  dentists"; [the Alaska  Dental Society  felt] that                                                               
using the term,  "dental schools" would be sufficient.   A change                                                               
to page 13, line 28, provides for a $50,000 civil fine.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG [although  Version S  had already  been                                                               
adopted as the work draft] said  he was objecting to the adoption                                                               
of Version S  for the purpose of asking a  question.  He referred                                                               
to page  4, line 3, and  noted that there are  types of dentistry                                                               
practice  other than  clinical,  such as  forensic dentistry  and                                                               
academic dentistry.   He asked  what other types  of non-clinical                                                               
dentistry practices exist.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:11:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID G. LOGAN, D.D.S.,  Chairman, Legislative Affairs Committee,                                                               
Alaska  Dental Society,  acknowledged Representative  Gruenberg's                                                               
point,  and  said that  a  dentist  performing insurance  reviews                                                               
would also be considered to be practicing dentistry.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE  SHAFFER, D.D.S.,  Member, Legislative  Affairs Committee,                                                               
Alaska  Dental  Society,  added that  "public  health  dentistry"                                                               
would also  be considered  a dentistry  practice; a  dentist with                                                               
such  a practice  analyzes epidemiological  data.   He  indicated                                                               
that  dentists   who  don't  have   a  clinical   practice  won't                                                               
necessarily   be   staying   current  with   clinical   dentistry                                                               
practices.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said he understands why  there would be                                                               
a  desire for  members of  the Board  of Dental  Examiners to  be                                                               
dentists  who actually  perform  dental  procedures on  patients.                                                               
[Although Version S had already been  adopted as a work draft] he                                                               
removed his objection to the adoption of Version S.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  noted  that   proposed  AS  08.36.010  -                                                               
located on page 4, lines  13-16 - specifies what would constitute                                                               
a "practice of dentistry" and  a "practice of dental hygiene" for                                                               
purposes of that section.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:15:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  offered her understanding that  there is a                                                               
shortage of  dentists willing to  practice in rural areas  of the                                                               
state,  so much  so  that some  Native  corporations are  sending                                                               
people down  to New Zealand to  get training in this  field.  She                                                               
asked whether HB 93 would alleviate this problem.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. LOGAN said HB 93 would  have no affect on that issue; rather,                                                               
it simply  pertains to the make  up and function of  the Board of                                                               
Dental Examiners  with regard to  disciplinary actions,  with the                                                               
intent being to  give the Board of Dental  Examiners more insight                                                               
into the cases that come before it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SHAFFER, in  response to  a question,  said that  HB 93  was                                                               
triggered by  the fact that  for many  years the Board  of Dental                                                               
Examiners was  making disciplinary decisions without  ever seeing                                                               
any evidence, and it was  felt that this was unfair, particularly                                                               
given that these decisions could affect a person's career.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHAFFER emphasized that the  Alaska Dental Society would like                                                               
the  state  to   be  more  involved  [in  the   Board  of  Dental                                                               
Examiners's  disciplinary process].    Presently  peer review  is                                                               
only done by [and for] Alaska  Dental Society members, and if one                                                               
is not  a member, then peer  review is not available;  passage of                                                               
HB  93 will  allow  the peer  review process  to  fall under  the                                                               
purview  of the  state,  which  will oversee  all  parts of  that                                                               
process.    Additionally,  Version   S  contains  a  clause  that                                                               
provides  the  Board of  Dental  Examiners  with the  ability  to                                                               
address  situations in  which a  dentist  has issues  of drug  or                                                               
alcohol dependence.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  indicated  that he  is  expecting  the                                                               
Alaska Dental  Society to continue developing  language that will                                                               
address  some of  the concerns  expressed  by Catherine  Reardon,                                                               
former director the Division of  Occupational licensing, and said                                                               
that he is  willing to assist in  that effort.  In  response to a                                                               
question,  he   explained  that  those  concerns   pertained  to:                                                               
timelines   regarding  the   disciplinary   process  -   possibly                                                               
eliminating   from  proposed   AS   08.01.087   both  the   word,                                                               
"discipline"  and subsection  (e);  the language  in proposed  AS                                                               
08.36.030 regarding  what should happen  if the president  of the                                                               
Board of Dental  Examiners is not a licensed dentist  and how the                                                               
requirements  listed  on page  10  would  then be  met;  possibly                                                               
eliminating the word,  "only" from page 6, line 2,  so that other                                                               
identifiers could  be transmitted; possibly altering  language on                                                               
page  7 such  that  examinations could  be  conducted by  someone                                                               
outside  the  state  who  is  otherwise  qualified;  language  in                                                               
proposed  AS 08.36.080  regarding how  the Alaska  Superior Court                                                               
would review  a matter;  and a  possible conforming  amendment on                                                               
page 10.   He  predicted that  with a little  bit of  work, these                                                               
issues could  be resolved by  the time the  bill is heard  in the                                                               
House Finance Committee.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE, after  ascertaining that  no one  else wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 93.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:25:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  moved to  report the  proposed CS  for HB
93, Version  24-LS0384\S, Mischel, 2/1/06, out  of committee with                                                               
individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal note.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA objected  for the purpose of  discussion.  He                                                               
referred to  page 11, lines  9, and page 12,  line 19.   He asked                                                               
whether a patient has the right to appeal a decision.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG noted  that other  language on  page 11                                                               
specifies that "a party to the peer review" may appeal.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Chair   McGuire  turned   the  gavel   over  to   Representative                                                               
Anderson.]                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA asked  whether a  patient gets  to appeal  a                                                               
decision that  doesn't include a recommendation  for disciplinary                                                               
action.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHAFFER  said that he reads  the language such that  it means                                                               
either party could appeal a decision.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  noted, though, that the  language appears to                                                               
only  pertain  to decisions  that  include  a recommendation  for                                                               
disciplinary action.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHAFFER  said that  the Alaska Dental  Society would  have no                                                               
objection  to  adding  language which  specifies  that  either  a                                                               
patient  or a  complainant may  appeal a  decision that  does not                                                               
include a  recommendation for disciplinary  action.   In response                                                               
to comments,  he said the  Alaska Dental Society wants  [the peer                                                               
review process] to  be an open process, and so  would be amenable                                                               
to any changes to that effect.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said  it seems like language on  page 12 only                                                               
allows a licensee to appeal a decision for disciplinary action.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SHAFFER said  the Alaska  Dental Society's  response is  the                                                               
same regarding that point.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA referred  to language on page  2, lines 9-10,                                                               
and  asked  whether  a  finding   against  a  dentist  or  dental                                                               
hygienist would remain  confidential.  He opined  that such ought                                                               
to be made  public - the public should know  whether a dentist or                                                               
dental hygienist is performing poorly.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SHAFFER  pointed out  that  the  bill contains  a  provision                                                               
specifying that the public is  notified after the Board of Dental                                                               
Examiners  takes  action.   He  relayed  that the  Alaska  Dental                                                               
Society is working  on a conceptual change to "open  that up even                                                               
more,"  so that  more  details can  be added  when  the Board  of                                                               
Dental Examiners notifies  the public.  He  assured the committee                                                               
that the language on page 2,  lines 9-10, is not making an action                                                               
of the Board of Dental Examiners confidential.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:31:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said he is  considering offering a conceptual                                                               
amendment which would  say that if the board finds  that there is                                                               
a violation, the  information relating to the  violation shall be                                                               
made public.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:31 p.m. to 3:33 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Representative Anderson returned the gavel to Chair McGuire.]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SHAFFER  referred  to  language  on  page  6,  line  2,  and                                                               
indicated  that  deleting the  word,  "only"  ought to  alleviate                                                               
Representative Gara's concern.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA pointed  out, though,  that the  language on                                                               
page  6 pertains  to providing  notice  in a  newspaper that  the                                                               
Board of Dental  Examiners took some action.  He  opined that the                                                               
records relating to the violation should also be made public.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHAFFER said that the  Alaska Dental Society has no intention                                                               
of purging records or attempting  to hide something; if the Board                                                               
of Dental  Examiners takes an  action against a  [licensee], that                                                               
"goes  on   the  record"   and  is   reported  to   the  National                                                               
Practitioner Data Bank (NPDB).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA offered  an example  wherein a  patient dies                                                               
because  of the  actions  taken by  a  dentist; future  consumers                                                               
should be informed that such has occurred.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL posited  that  the public  will find  out                                                               
about criminal  action, and offered his  understanding that using                                                               
newspapers   is   simply   the    typical   way   [that   certain                                                               
organizations]  inform the  public of  their decisions.   Perhaps                                                               
the  statutes  should be  updated  to  reflect that  notification                                                               
should  occur via  other  methods of  communication  as well,  he                                                               
remarked.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  noted that there  is a  motion to report  the bill                                                               
from committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:36:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL withdrew  the motion  to report  the bill                                                               
from committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Following  was a  brief discussion  regarding how  the committee                                                               
wished to proceed.]                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:38:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  made   a   motion   to  adopt   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1, to  alter the language  on page 2 [lines  9-10] such                                                               
that  when the  Board of  Dental Examiners  finds that  there has                                                               
been a violation  by a licensee, the information  relating to the                                                               
violation, including  the board's decision, shall  be made public                                                               
except that  personal medical records  of the licensee  shall not                                                               
be   made  public.     There   being  no   objection,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  referred to  the language  on page  7, lines                                                               
30-31, and  asked what  is meant by  the phrase,  "impose another                                                               
form of  discipline that  the board  determines is  warranted and                                                               
necessary".                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHAFFER  said this language  would allow the Board  of Dental                                                               
Examiners the  flexibility to impose  lesser forms  of discipline                                                               
than it would for more serious accusations.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG suggested  that Representative Gara work                                                               
with  him  and  the  Alaska  Dental  Society  representatives  to                                                               
address this issue before the bill  is heard in the House Finance                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  noted that the  committee could either  leave that                                                               
language as is  or strike out all references to  it and allow the                                                               
issue  to be  addressed before  the bill  is heard  in the  House                                                               
Finance Committee.   She opined that the language  should be more                                                               
specific.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHAFFER referred  to language on page 14,  lines 28-30, which                                                               
says in part, "The board  shall establish standards in regulation                                                               
for  the  imposition  of consistent  discipline  linked  to  each                                                               
action  giving  rise to  the  discipline".   This  wording  would                                                               
require   the  Board   of  Dental   Examiners  to   specify,  via                                                               
regulations, what type discipline  would be administered for each                                                               
type of  [violation]; the promulgation of  such regulations would                                                               
require  the  Board  of  Dental   Examiners  to  go  through  the                                                               
regulation  process and  the public  notice  and comment  periods                                                               
that such  a process entails.   This will ensure that  all future                                                               
boards apply discipline equally using the same guidelines.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE acknowledged Dr. Shaffer's  points, but opined that                                                               
the statutory language should be clarified.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON suggested  simply  replacing the  words,                                                               
"another form" with the words, "a lesser form".                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:44:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON made  a motion  to adopt  Amendment 2,  to                                                               
delete from  page 7, line 30,  the word "another" and  insert the                                                               
words, "a  lesser".   There being no  objection, Amendment  2 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  made   a   motion   to  adopt   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 3, to alter the language on  page 9, line 16, such that                                                               
the  Board of  Dental  Examiners shall  comply  with federal  and                                                               
state  laws governing  discrimination.   Noting that  the current                                                               
language  pertains  to decisions  based  on  the existence  of  a                                                               
physical  disability, he  remarked, "I  don't want  to relax  the                                                               
laws on discrimination."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON  suggested  instead  simply  adding  the                                                               
phrase,  "with all  applicable laws  relating to  discrimination"                                                               
this would address  situations in which there  are municipal laws                                                               
relating to discrimination.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  said, "Sure; federal, state,  and municipal,                                                               
I guess ...."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE opined that "all applicable" would be too [broad].                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   COGHILL  concurred,   noting  that   a  physical                                                               
disability  could  actually  impair   the  person's  ability  [to                                                               
perform the  services correctly].   He surmised that the  bill is                                                               
attempting to address  situations in which a  licensee has become                                                               
unable to perform the duties required of a dentist.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA offered  his  understanding  that state  and                                                               
federal laws  allow for the  termination of someone's  license if                                                               
such a person would be a danger to the public.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   McGUIRE  noted   that  the   language  [in   proposed  AS                                                               
08.36.315(C)]  starts   out  by   saying,  "The  board   may  not                                                               
discriminate against a  licensee solely on the basis  of a mental                                                               
of physical impairment or disability".   She asked Representative                                                               
Gara whether  he would  like the language  to say,  "shall comply                                                               
with both federal and state law".                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  remarked, "Federal  and state  law governing                                                               
discrimination - yeah."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:47:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  restated  his motion  to  adopt  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 3, to alter the language  on page 9, line 16, such that                                                               
it  says in  part,  "shall  comply with  federal  and state  laws                                                               
governing discrimination".                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked whether the language on lines 10-                                                                
11 of page 9 would be retained.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA and CHAIR McGUIRE said yes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL characterized  the language being proposed                                                               
by Conceptual Amendment 3 as redundant.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE,  after  ascertaining  that  were  no  objections,                                                               
announced that Conceptual Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:47:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA  made   a   motion   to  adopt   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 4, "wherever  the licensee has  a right to  appeal, the                                                               
complainant  or  ... the  department  shall  also have  the  same                                                               
rights  to appeal."    In  response to  questions,  he said  that                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment  4 would  apply  to  pages  11 and  12  and                                                               
perhaps  elsewhere as  well, and  would ensure  that all  parties                                                               
have  the right  to appeal  equally.   There being  no objection,                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 4 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  in response  to comments,  relayed that                                                               
he is willing  to vote to report the bill  from committee as long                                                               
as he has  an opportunity, before the bill is  heard in the House                                                               
Finance  Committee,  to  work  with  the  Alaska  Dental  Society                                                               
representatives  [and   the  sponsor's  staff]  to   address  his                                                               
concerns, perhaps via a new proposed CS.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD agreed to assist Representative Gruenberg.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:51:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  moved  to  report the  proposed  CS  for                                                               
HB 93, Version  24-LS0384\S, Mischel, 2/1/06, as  amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.    There  being no  objection,  CSHB  93(JUD)  was                                                               
reported from the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                           

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